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Lilly
15-03-10, 01:36 PM
Hi guys,

I am saddened that in a time when the economy needs people to stand together, that some companies are using innocent graduates to soldier through the downturn.:confused:

According to BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8565287.stm), a lot of companies (mostly London) take on graduates in “intern” positions that are unpaid but last months on end luring them with the promise of a paid job.

One company even got away with having half of the staff working as interns. I understand many companies had to make pay-cuts and had to cut their workers, but it isn’t an excuse to take on talented graduates to work 9-5 for free. Most of the kids aren’t even getting travel allowances.

During my studies, I did a couple of months free internships to get a feel of the industry and do some labour…basically doing stuff nobody else wanted to do and never saying no to any opportunity.
That is exactly what an internship is.

You can’t employ graduates as interns for a long period of time when there isn’t a definite chance of a paid job at the end of the internship.:mad:
What do you think?

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern):"An intern is someone who works in a temporary position with an emphasis on on-the-job training rather than merely employment (SIH-199), making it similar to an apprenticeship. Interns are usually college or university students, but they can also be high school students or post graduate adults seeking skills for a new career."
"An internship may be either paid, unpaid or partially paid (in the form of a stipend)."
"Internships may be part-time or full-time; typically they are part-time during the university year and full-time in the summer, and they typically last 6–12 weeks, but can be shorter or longer"

I think companies should at least play open cards with graduates about their future at the company after the internship and pay their travel costs. I guess a graduate getting work experience is better off than a graduate that isn’t getting any at all…Or possibly graduates should take on any paid job (http://www.careersandjobsuk.com) where they can learn new skills and wait until the market is better?:confused:

Josie
16-03-10, 02:43 PM
Wow Lilly that is an eye opener isn't it?

I have heard of unpaid work experience before as my sister and a few friends have done this but none of this was for longer than a month and travel expenses were paid in each case! My sister even got a daily lunch allowance?

Thats what you need to look for really isn't it? I mean it isn't fair or ethical to make young graduates work like this for nothing - especially if there is no job offer at the end of it or if it is for a prolonged period of time!

Maybe the government should crack down on the bad offenders and make sure they follow the rules of this type of thing? Especially the instances where work experience is being paid for by the candidate???? What on earth is that all about???????

Lilly
18-03-10, 01:14 PM
Your sister can't count herself really lucky, cause it seems as if some companies are out there to make the best of a crappy situation, without thinking what it is doing to the graduate. I can't for the life of me think who will pay someone for work experience, but I guess in todays economy rich people are the only ones who will be able to buy CV experience for their kids. It is not fair and sets a bad standard for the future...

Josie
19-03-10, 02:51 PM
Lilly you are definately right there - it is not a good example to set and it would be awful it if became common place to do such things! If I am at all honest though I can't help but feel sorry for these people that feel they need to pay to get work experience somewhere! I mean has it really come to that? They are pushed that far back into a corner that they think its the only option in order to get some experience on their CV's?

I do see what your saying about it creating a social divide though as you are correct - not everyone will be able to afford to this for thier kids! Some will there fore have an advantage that others could never try and reach!

My sister was definately lucky, I have to give her that much! It may have taken a while and plenty of perseverance but she got there in the end which is awsome!

rsmall
17-05-10, 07:19 AM
I couldnt agree more.The longer our politicians fiddle around not solving the economic crisis the more human capital we will lose. We have plenty of skilled, talented.,educated and intelligent peopel out there without the opportunity to put their skills to use!We have architects and engineers flipping burgers at the local diner...fat lot of good that will do us when our bridges roads and buildings begin to collapse.

Titch
26-05-11, 02:20 PM
Here Here,
I think its awful. Although equally there is a prblem with qualified graduates having a lack of common sense and practical knowledge, something that can only be gained with practice!

I think systems like sandwich degrees and also like in France where people must have one semester out of two in an internship in order to get their degree might help.

wezc4
12-10-11, 07:07 PM
Its happening all the time now!